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This hope we keep being given is a little cruel. Nowhere near good enough to go up but only a few tantalising points away

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Say what you want about the football, but it's the first time in years we've been dangerous from set-pieces.

Won't go up though. Too much to do.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

Lucky bastards.  I'll take it.

Nah, you won't mate. It was utter garbage from us. 

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A midfield of Yates, Colback and Watson is about as workmanlike as you’ll get. Plenty of endeavour but zero creativity. Grabban was miles off the pace which was to be expected given how long he’s been out. 

We brightened up hugely once we switched to a 4-2-3-1 and O’Neills continued marginalisation of Carvalho looks more like a vendetta with each passing week. 

Results elsewhere meant we only kept pace and keeps us in touch. Our next two matches are difficult and by the time we play Blackburn I expect us to be out of the playoff race. 

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1 hour ago, Danny said:

We brightened up hugely once we switched to a 4-2-3-1 and O’Neills continued marginalisation of Carvalho looks more like a vendetta with each passing week.

 

Do we have any idea why he isn't being picked? At times under Karanka he seemed our best player in terms of flair and creativity.

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12 minutes ago, H-Block said:

 

Do we have any idea why he isn't being picked? At times under Karanka he seemed our best player in terms of flair and creativity.

My guess is that O’Neill favours hard-work over ability. As a general rule that’s fine but our side is full of grafters (Lolley, Cash, Osborn, Colback etc) that surely there’s room for a bit of luxury, which is what Carvalho is.

The way we set up today was essentially akin to asking Lolley, Cash and Grabban to come up with a bit of magic amongst themselves as the other 8 players were going to contribute fuck all going forward. It didn’t work and it was only after bringing Carvalho on and reverting to a 4-2-3-1 that we began to look even vaguely threatening. 

Edited by Danny

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Wasn’t pretty by all accounts but we got the three points. Say what you like about this Forest side but we go right to the end. It’s unlikely but we’re still in with a shout. 

Edited by nottmred

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4 hours ago, nottmred said:

Wasn’t pretty by all accounts but we got the three points. Say what you like about this Forest side but we go right to the end. It’s unlikely but we’re still in with a shout. 

Won 5 out of the last 6 at home but haven't won away since November. 7 games left, 4 away. I don't fancy our chances.

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No chance of the play offs. 

Villa/boro/derby/city all above us and got game in hands. 

Plus were fucking shit 

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I know the football is shite but at least we’re winning more games than we did under Karanka. His football was shite too and we won less. 

 

Its not not ideal but it will do for now. 

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Can't believe play offs are still being mentioned by anyone now. Forget what our position is...fluking a win every 3 games when other teams are winning more and with games in hand just makes it nigh on impossible. 

3 of the spots are taken now so you have arguably every team down to Hull still in it so our form would have to suddenly become that of an automatic promotion chaser to beat the rest to that final spot. We're just not playing well enough for that. It's a shame too as I feel our squad is as good as the rest it's just been managed poorly...again. 

See you in August folks... 

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1 hour ago, nottmred said:

I know the football is shite but at least we’re winning more games than we did under Karanka. His football was shite too and we won less. 

 

Its not not ideal but it will do for now. 

 

 

That surely isn't true?  Not this season at least.

 

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11 hours ago, Danny said:

The way we set up today was essentially akin to asking Lolley, Cash and Grabban to come up with a bit of magic amongst themselves as the other 8 players were going to contribute fuck all going forward. 

The thing is when Carvalho is playing they can come up with a bit of magic on their own 'cause he gives them that extra dimension.  

I'm not sure why we've got a manager here who is so begrudging to give us anything which resembles entertainment.  It just seems like having Meggo but with better players to me.  

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Swansea were by far the better footballing side as can be expected from a team having perfected their style of play over several years in the Prem . We were literally second best for 90% of the game , chasing shadows . We didn't help ourselves by continually giving the ball away and in our selection of 3 holding midfielders none of whom has any semblance of attacking creativity whatsoever . 

Grabban was miles off the pace which was only to be expected , Yates was a little boy lost and Watson completely anonymous .  Strangely them scoring the first albeit disputed goal acted as a catalyst for our improvement . We pushed forward another 15/20 yards and compressed their play .  Swansea have had a real problem in defending set pieces and so it proved again . 2 Forest corners impeccably delivered by Lolley headed in by Murphy and Wague respectively , job done and Swansea robbed !!!

For those deriding O'Neil set pieces is the one area of our game that has improved ... We will not make the pray-offs but then again who amongst us realistically expected us to ????????????

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21 minutes ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

 

 

That surely isn't true?  Not this season at least.

 

 

Karanka’s win ratio was 30% whereas MON’s is 42%.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

The thing is when Carvalho is playing they can come up with a bit of magic on their own 'cause he gives them that extra dimension.  

I think that’s because when Carvalho is playing they don’t have to keep trying to find the ball. He’s the link between midfield and attack which means that the front three can wait for the ball to come to them instead of chasing after it for 90 minutes. 

Surely after yesterday’s flaccid showing O’Neill won’t persist with the same set-up against Rotherham. After the match yesterday he spoke of wanting to roll other teams over well he’s a chance nect weekend to try do that. Whilst Rotherham will be scrapping for their lives they are a poor side and one we can put to the sword if we play with a bit of ambition. 

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Karankas win ratio in the league this season was 10 in 27, about 37% 

 

edit: he was here for a year and signed more players than he won games. 

Edited by bestwood_red!

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15 minutes ago, Danny said:

I think that’s because when Carvalho is playing they don’t have to keep trying to find the ball. He’s the link between midfield and attack which means that the front three can wait for the ball to come to them instead of chasing after it for 90 minutes. 

Surely after yesterday’s flaccid showing O’Neill won’t persist with the same set-up against Rotherham. After the match yesterday he spoke of wanting to roll other teams over well he’s a chance nect weekend to try do that. Whilst Rotherham will be scrapping for their lives they are a poor side and one we can put to the sword if we play with a bit of ambition. 

 

I reckon we'll go with ten men behind the ball again same as every other game since he came here.  It would be nice if we played all game like we did the last ten minutes, with Carvalho both on the pitch and playing right off the striker.  

If O'Neill does play him I wouldn't be surprised if he was stuck in the midfield again, ineffectually chasing his opponents down for an hour before getting subbed off and everyone saying he was crap.  

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1 hour ago, colin said:

Swansea were by far the better footballing side as can be expected from a team having perfected their style of play over several years in the Prem . We were literally second best for 90% of the game , chasing shadows . We didn't help ourselves by continually giving the ball away and in our selection of 3 holding midfielders none of whom has any semblance of attacking creativity whatsoever . 

Grabban was miles off the pace which was only to be expected , Yates was a little boy lost and Watson completely anonymous .  Strangely them scoring the first albeit disputed goal acted as a catalyst for our improvement . We pushed forward another 15/20 yards and compressed their play .  Swansea have had a real problem in defending set pieces and so it proved again . 2 Forest corners impeccably delivered by Lolley headed in by Murphy and Wague respectively , job done and Swansea robbed !!!

For those deriding O'Neil set pieces is the one area of our game that has improved ... We will not make the pray-offs but then again who amongst us realistically expected us to ????????????

Bringing on Pele and Carvalho was the catalyst. Had we stuck with Yates and Watson, we'd have lost.

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3 hours ago, bestwood_red! said:

Karankas win ratio in the league this season was 10 in 27, about 37% 

 

edit: he was here for a year and signed more players than he won games. 

Shocking stats really. 

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4 hours ago, GupiRed2 said:

Bringing on Pele and Carvalho was the catalyst. Had we stuck with Yates and Watson, we'd have lost.

Gupi , it was in response to them taking the lead that MON decided to make those substitutions , hence it was the catalyst ...

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