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The definition of insanity is, doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change, so let’s try and stick with a manager for a change.

... or would you really prefer someone like Keane, MoN or Hughes at the helm? IMHO that would be beyond insanity!

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12 minutes ago, Danish Red said:

The definition of insanity is, doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change, so let’s try and stick with a manager for a change.

... or would you really prefer someone like Keane, MoN or Hughes at the helm? IMHO that would be beyond insanity!

Is anyone agitating for the likes of those you’ve listed?

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Nobody knows who we would end up with if Karanka is sacked ... just a few available journeymen listed. We could also get someone exciting in ... who knows what the Greek would do. For me, Karanka will do for now. 

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58 minutes ago, Danny said:

Is anyone agitating for the likes of those you’ve listed?

Not on here but Twatter isn’t short of folks calling for those clowns. Even Big Sam has had a shout, so has agent Clough. There are even folk calling for Billy’s third mad spell.

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Well maranakis doesn't fuck about does he.  Olympiacos have had 20 odd managers since 2010 when he bought the club, even though up until last year they have won the title every year since 2010. 

Looks like the only way to save your job in Greece is to win the league and the champions League in one season..

how the fuck is kranks still in a job under this ruthless twat... 

 

 

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I have seen us linked with Canadi and Jokanovic - none of the old journeyman thankfully 

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Canadi's contract ends in the summer, so I reckon we'd stick with karanka for the rest of the season if Marinakis is looking to replace him with Canadi. 

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I see Steve Bruce has got the Sheff Wed job - how utterly underwhelming that must be for their fans 

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16 minutes ago, E R said:

I see Steve Bruce has got the Sheff Wed job - how utterly underwhelming that must be for their fans 

Majority seem happy

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Im about 60-40 in favour of getting rid but it is a tough one.

My concerns are that as it stands I can't see Karanka getting us promoted this season. There are just too many limitations with his style of football.

That is not to say he couldnt get us promoted in 2020 with a few more big money aquisitions. So if you are comfortable with waiting another year then I do see the value in some stability.

The second issue is that if we do go up under Karanka (say in 2020) then his brand of football would probably see us get relegated at the first attempt. The reality is that it is light years behind most sides in the PL.

It's a tough decision, I wouldn't want to make it but I just have a feeling at the back of my mind which says that we should take a risk. We have a fine squad. If a new manager comes in and gives the dressing room a boost then who knows what we can do. I don't see a Karanka team winning 5+ on a spin but that's what we need.

Of course the danger is that we appoint a foreign manager not cut out for the league and we're in the same position next January!

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7 minutes ago, Daz said:

Im about 60-40 in favour of getting rid but it is a tough one.

My concerns are that as it stands I can't see Karanka getting us promoted this season. There are just too many limitations with his style of football.

That is not to say he couldnt get us promoted in 2020 with a few more big money aquisitions. So if you are comfortable with waiting another year then I do see the value in some stability.

The second issue is that if we do go up under Karanka (say in 2020) then his brand of football would probably see us get relegated at the first attempt. The reality is that it is light years behind most sides in the PL.

It's a tough decision, I wouldn't want to make it but I just have a feeling at the back of my mind which says that we should take a risk. We have a fine squad. If a new manager comes in and gives the dressing room a boost then who knows what we can do. I don't see a Karanka team winning 5+ on a spin but that's what we need.

Of course the danger is that we appoint a foreign manager not cut out for the league and we're in the same position next January!

If there is ever any doubt then you should stick at it. 

Karanka frustrates a lot of people on here but the majority of fans are behind him and I for one don't see the point in throwing in the towel at January. 

Lets give a manager at least 1 full season before we judge him. 

When I watched the Leeds game I shouted at the TV so many times when we were 2-1 down and said to my father in law "I don't know why he doesn't bring on a rapid young striker and go two up top, we are playing 10 men" but what the fuck do I know? 4-2 win end of. 

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If there is a chance of us going up either this year or more so next then we have to stick. Let's worry about staying up in the prem when we actually get there. And even if we did get relegated at the first attempt at least we might be able to turn into a club like Boro/ villa/ Leicester (before they won the prem) where you  have a chance of ping ponging between the 2 leagues and aren't stuck outside the prem for 20 odd years.

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In terms of fan frustration, there's always the idea that doing something different WOULD get better results and there's never any certainty in that.  Unless you're winning every game in emphatic style there's always this notion that the manager has done something to cause a game to go wrong.  It's a strange way of thinking that means you'll always be cross with the manager no matter what happens.

With football, you have opponents who don't like to just let you win and you have footballers who might have an off day or two or might not be as good as we think they are.  That's aside of all the usual true cliches about building a winning team taking time. 

 

 

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Yea Chaz, it's football simple, some teams have to win, some teams have to draw and some have to lose. W have been a drawing/ losing team over past years and just when we look like we could be turning Into a winning/ drawing team why should we change it hastily?

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bye bye 

 
 
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Club statement. Aitor Karanka has asked to be released from his contract as the manager of Nottingham Forest Football Club.

 

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He speaks!

Turns out he fucked off after being told he was going to be sacked in the press for a month so we could let someone else have the transfer window.  This thread is interesting reading considering what followed...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/aitor-karanka-reveals-more-details-2787331?fbclid=IwAR0bT7nBxJzmKVLrFi3AKiwdZ1v5LtwuoxMDlrb8gBCUay2ckKM2ANlDV74#ICID=Android_NottinghamPostNewApp_AppShare

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So his plan was to consolidate this season, spend another X amount of millions in the summer and have a go at promotion next season and when the owner said don’t you think you have been backed enough and that similar backing next summer will cripple the club financially he walked away in a sulk? 

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On 1/1/2019 at 9:47 PM, Danish Red said:

The definition of insanity is, doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change, so let’s try and stick with a manager for a change.

... or would you really prefer someone like Keane, MoN or Hughes at the helm? IMHO that would be beyond insanity!

Timely bump ER

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We all knew they were going to sack him at any minute cause the club planted in the media every day, he knew it, the players knew it.  

As he knew they were going to off him anyway he walked before the transfer window came.

I think that shows a bit of class.

Even if you don't like a bloke you have to give 'em credit where it's due.  A bit like when McClaren fucked off, people still slate him but I had a fair bit of respect for him after how he handled things.

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Karanka will probably be seen as the second coming now the majority of fans like Billy Davies was as what came after both was so bad.

Their successors' shocking management puts them on a pedestal they don't really deserve. 

Why oh why can we never manage to choose a decent gaffer? You see some clubs just happen to stumble upon the right man....maybe we used all our luck up with Clough. 

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I think the trouble is Savo, unless somebody is Clough like they're chucked out before they have a chance to have any success.  The likes of Billy and Karanka would get us up no probs given a bit of time (OK, Billy would probably self implode before it happened but if he wasn't mental he'd manage it).  

If we approach every game like the last one (e.g. picking our best team), even O'Neill will be good enough to get us up.  

Even O'Driscoll and Freedman might have been good enough to do it given better players.  

The only time you can get away with chucking a manager out every year is if you're a well run club that make sure the managers they appoint will continue with the same style of play and not overthrow everything as soon as they come in.  On top of that, cause each manager is completely different to the last, each one wants to bring a new team in to get their 'style' to work.  It's crackers.  

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I agree with that. It is mad and will never yield long term success.

I think generally a year though is ample time to see whether someone has it or not. Often you can tell much earlier than that as well. Inconsistent team selection and tactics. Weird signings. Clear lack of motivation etc

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