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Why on earth did we sign this Megson/Freedman/McLeish lookalike? I sincerely hope we don't score today, just so Karanka gets the rekord he well deserves!

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Its difficult to assess how hes done. He took over a rudderless squad and at the start he was making us difficult to beat and we were picking up some decent results. He brought in a load of players in January who have ended up being a bit of a mixed bag but at least he managed to ship out some of the wage stealers at the same time.

 

There is no denying though that we have been absolutely awful for a while now and are lacking any inspiration whatsoever. Ill be honest and say Karanka has done fuck all to convince me that hes the man to take us forward but we cant just keep sacking managers. It seems there is a deep malaise at the club that no-one can shake.

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The goal situation is a fucking joke now

 

I would give him next season to see what can happen but we are fucking terrible attacking of late and now shipping goals. It said we havent scored in 14 of the last 18 games - that is terrible

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we havent scored in 14 of the last 18 games - that is terrible

I cant remember a run as bad as this. It is pathetic.

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We have still improved on last season. We need to give our managers more than one transfer window to try and shape the team... Karanka has hasn't even had one transfer window yet.

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We have still improved on last season. We need to give our managers more than one transfer window to try and shape the team... Karanka has hasn't even had one transfer window yet.

Hasn't he? Who was responsible for the 10 signings in January then??

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Hasn't he? Who was responsible for the 10 signings in January then??

 

He turned up midway through, with no knowledge of the team, players or what needed doing. I doubt he had a significant influence in our January signings.

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It's shocking that people were calling for Warburton's head, yet are defending Karanka. Warburton had a plan and a vision, and even though we had a dreadful period from october to december, we were still making progress. Karanka on the other hand has wasted shit load of money on more useless deadwood in January, and we look far worse. What if Warburton had been given the money to sign someone in stead?

 

And now it sounds like I worship Warbs, but I dont. I just hate the fact that we keep sacking the good guys after not even giving them a chance, and keep wasting shit load of money on destructive managers like Freedman

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He turned up midway through, with no knowledge of the team, players or what needed doing. I doubt he had a significant influence in our January signings.

8th January is hardly midway through!

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He turned up midway through, with no knowledge of the team, players or what needed doing. I doubt he had a significant influence in our January signings.

He came in on the 8th and most of our deals were done on the last day of the window. Some have been good, some bad and fuck knows about a couple as we havent seen them for various reasons. Either way I think Karanka brought in who he wanted, especially considering the comments he made throughout January about bringing more experience into the squad.

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8th January is hardly midway through!

 

It's hardly a full transfer window and it ridiculous to expect a decent analysis of what the squad needs and to bring in the necessary players. It is also going to take time to recover from the fiscal mess caused by Fawaz. Repeatedly sacking managers has hardly brought success to the City Ground.

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I never wanted him, didnt rate him at Boro and I dont rate him here. Having said that he should be given a fair crack at the whip and given until the end of next season. Im not going to pay to watch his football ever again as its dire but give him a chance.

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It's hardly a full transfer window and it ridiculous to expect a decent analysis of what the squad needs and to bring in the necessary players. It is also going to take time to recover from the fiscal mess caused by Fawaz. Repeatedly sacking managers has hardly brought success to the City Ground.

Don't agree he should go, was merely stating he's had one transfer window but even after the summer one we won't be much better coz most of these will still be playing so after such a bad start to next season he will be gone anyway.

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a bad start to next season he will be gone anyway.

Thats the thing - rightly or wrongly this shite run will have heaped a load of pressure on Karanka. If we have a shite first dozen matches or so he will be canned and the whole process starts again.

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Like I said when we were 1 down earlier. He needs at least a season.

 

I've been too quick in the past to want rid of managers I must admit, I advocated the sacking of Hart, Davies, Calderwood, Pearce and Montanier. All as soon as results went pear shaped so I've been as guilty as anyone. I've changed my entire outlook now. Probably partly due to not being as bothered anymore. I'm not watching it each week but I still think any manager we now employ needs at least 1 full season with a few windows before we judge them.

 

There's been so many years of shit and mismanagement that the remains of it are still around the club. It takes time to sort that out. Unless we're bottom at Christmas I won't entertain the idea of a sacking.

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Interesting words from the gaffer after the match today, discussing lack of quality and disruptive personalities within the squad.

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Interesting words from the gaffer after the match today, discussing lack of quality and disruptive personalities within the squa

 

 

Never the managers fault though is it Caz?

 

Will he say his negative tactics have led to us setting a new club record for not scoring? Will he say I'm sticking by my tactics and formation regardless of results? Of course he won't.

 

Any manager that publicly slates his players wants fucking in my opinion.

 

If Marinakis hasn't choked on his kebab after recent results, he must be wondering what he's done signing this toss pot.

 

I know he got Boro promoted, but lets not forget that Megson managed it twice with WBA before he joined us.

 

Sad thing is, Karanka will get a decent transfer budget, waste it on players the wrong side of 30, and be sacked by Christmas. I honestly believe this guy is more capable of taking us down than getting us anywhere near the top 6.

 

As for lack of quality, 7 of those starting yesterday were his signings!!!

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If Karanka is talking about rotten eggs in the team I would steer well clear of Tomlin

 

We wont go down now so he should try a few of the fringe players in the last few games

 

I reckon a lot will be fucked off in the summer though so lets see what happens next season

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Any manager that publicly slates his players wants fucking in my opinion.

 

 

Didn't Clough do this regularly ?

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We need a manager who's willing to address the player attitude situation at the club. It's been fucking us for years. Guarantee the cunts down tools at least once a season.

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I dont understand what people want.. You want consistency but yet you won't give time to a manager to turn this rotten club around. It is irrelevant if we change to a new manager have we not seen plenty of evidence to back that up.? Yes the team remains shit at certain aspect for example defending from corners and crosses into the box. Has changes in manager over the years improved that? No it hasn't. The only thing we haven't tried is the approach of... Signing a manager on a 3 year contract and letting him have those 3 years to see what he can do. We are almost mathamatically safe this season so we can pretty much right off this season now. Its a massive summer for karanka. We need someone at the helm that Knows he will be there long term and can implement his ideas. I would rather take a punt and let the manager have 3 years in charge and not think after a 4 games without a win that he will be sacked. Changing manger after manager proves it does not work. If we kept on doing this for another 10 years i imagine we would pretty much be in the same position. Can we please all just calm down and keep a man In charge long enough for him to finish his dinner. I like other wasn't calling for Warburton's head. He had a plan and okay it didn't work straight away but at the same time i believe he didn't have the personel to play the way he wanted. I think us fans could see that. But he tried to get them yo be able to play that way because he knew when it did come together it would be effective. We are going to be an average championship side for short term future but maybe just maybe of we stick with karanka a bit further down the line he will know the club and players a lot better, he will understand he fans a lot better and it will be 'his' team. None of the managers in previous years have had 'their own'team. They have had a mis match of previous managers signings. And what does that do mentally to the team.? If you can have the majority of the squad which has been signed and 'wanted' by karanka then that would be a lot better for the cohesion of the squad.

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Regardless of what we think about the manager, it's results that matter.

 

If Karanka doesn't up his game next season, he will be gone, and that is a fact, whether we like it or not.

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Managing a football team isn't rocket science as some might pretend it is. You have a squad of players with varying abilities who specialise (sometimes not) in varying positions. You have the chance to look at all these players to decipher just how good they are or aren't, whether you need them at the club or not and what position best suits them. From this you play your best XI of round holes in round pegs in a formation that best suits the player's qualities. Best GK in goal, best Full backs at full back, best central defenders at centre... I think you get the point by now. Too many managers look at trying square pegs in round holes and it just doesn't work. When was the last time a manager did this simple task at Forest? Wasn't it Billy's first stint here that got us to the play offs in 2010??

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