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Poll: Who is the greatest? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Who is the greatest ever player?

  1. Diego Maradona (6 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  2. Johan Cruyff (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Pele (5 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  4. Lionel Messi (5 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  5. Cristiano Ronaldo (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  6. Zinedine Zidane (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Feranc Puskas (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  8. George Best (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  9. Franz Beckenbauer (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Michel Platini (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. other (Di SStefano, Eusebio Ronaldo, Zico, Iniesta etc) (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

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#1 Savo

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:52 AM

Had a discussion with mates recently about this so thought I'd go for a definitive poll. This could be reflected in some ways of your age and who you've seen play. Personally I can only go on what I have seen.

The situation is what it is Natalie.


#2 nottmred

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:58 AM

Messi, Zidane, Ronaldo for me. Didn't see any of the others play so purely based on that.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 08:21 AM

For me in terms of who I have seen its Brazilian Ronaldo, Zidane, C Ronaldo and Messi. Cant split the four but the only thing the other three have over Messi is they have done it in different leagues with different teams.

My favourite ever non Forest player is Pavel Nedved but as for the greatest of all time going on player testimonies, in particular George Best, I'll go for Puskas.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:10 AM

I read George Bear's book years ago and he retold a fantastic story about Puskas from his time coaching.

Found it online actually.

“I was with (Bobby) Charlton, (Denis) Law and Puskas, we were coaching in a football academy in Australia. The youngsters we were coaching did not respect him, including making fun of his weight and age.

"We decided to let the guys challenge a coach to hit the crossbar 10 times in a row, obviously they picked the old fat one.

"Law asked the kids how many they thought the old fat coach would get out of 10. Most said less than five. Best said 10.

"The old fat coach stepped up and hit nine in a row. For the tenth shot he scooped the ball in the air, bounced it off both shoulders and his head, then flicked it over with his heel and cannoned the ball off the crossbar on the volley.

"They all stood in silence then one kid asked who he was, I replied, 'To you, his name is Mr. Puskas.'”

The situation is what it is Natalie.


#5 Saul B€R€NSON

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:45 AM

I read George Bear's book years ago and he retold a fantastic story about Puskas from his time coaching.

Found it online actually.

“I was with (Bobby) Charlton, (Denis) Law and Puskas, we were coaching in a football academy in Australia. The youngsters we were coaching did not respect him, including making fun of his weight and age.

"We decided to let the guys challenge a coach to hit the crossbar 10 times in a row, obviously they picked the old fat one.

"Law asked the kids how many they thought the old fat coach would get out of 10. Most said less than five. Best said 10.

"The old fat coach stepped up and hit nine in a row. For the tenth shot he scooped the ball in the air, bounced it off both shoulders and his head, then flicked it over with his heel and cannoned the ball off the crossbar on the volley.

"They all stood in silence then one kid asked who he was, I replied, 'To you, his name is Mr. Puskas.'”

What an utter bullshit yarn from a celebrated drunkard.

 

Pure fairy tales.

 

As for the poll itself, nobody touches a peak Maradona, and I mean nobody.



#6 Charlie Cheswick

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 11:12 AM

Maradona.  Too young to have seen Pele and Best.

 

Maradona was an unstoppable beast, if he wasn't such a **** I doubt people would even have a discussion over who was the best footballer. 



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 11:16 AM

I saw Zico get a mention, I remember everyone talking him up and that Brazil team were very good, I prefered Socrates out of that lot.  My only real memory of Zico is Brazil's manager bringing him on to take a penalty and him missing it, his greatness level dropping to 4/10 in that moment.



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:00 PM

What an utter bullshit yarn from a celebrated drunkard.
 
Pure fairy tales.
 
As for the poll itself, nobody touches a peak Maradona, and I mean nobody.

You mean that drug taking, cheating Argie?!!

No way. When a player had to resort to cheating to win a match and an intake of drugs to enhance, try to anyway, his performance there's no way he can ever be considered the best ever.

George Best is arguably the best British player, Messi the best Argie, Cruyff the best Dutchman, Platini the best Frenchman & Ronaldo the best Portuguese but overall greatest is Pele.

Puskas & Di Stefano were before my time and Zico who was mentioned was probably part of the greatest team not to win the World Cup closely followed by Holland 74 but if every football fan had to name the greatest ever, the vast majority would choose Pele.

By the way Saul, how do you know it was a drunken yarn quoted by George Best? Sounds credible to me but if you were there to witness it you'd know for sure but you weren't!

Edited by AndyNFFC, 08 April 2017 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 04:57 PM

Half of Pele's supposed 1000 goals were scored in the fucking Brazilian school playground!

 

Who cares if Diego was a ****, and he was, a gigantic one, but the way he single handedly won World Cups for Argentina and titles for Napoli will never be mastered.

 

Pele is also a viagra promoting ****.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:05 PM

Half of Pele's supposed 1000 goals were scored in the fucking Brazilian school playground!
 
Who cares if Diego was a ****, and he was, a gigantic one, but the way he single handedly won World Cups for Argentina and titles for Napoli will never be mastered.
 
Pele is also a viagra promoting ****.


Supposed goals? How many do you think he scored then? 😂

World Cups? Argies won one with him playing so doesn't constitute the plural but with Pele & Brazil winning three world cups obviously puts him above MaraDonut without needing any more justification.

Pele might've done done silly promotional adverts post career but he didn't need performance enhancing drugs of the need to cheat to be the best on a football pitch whereas Diego felt he needed to do both in order to make himself look as good as he thought he was.

Going on about winning world cups, neither Messi, Cristiano, Platini or Cruyff managed to do this so, with your thinking, does that put Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Beckenbauer, Charlton & Iniesta above them in this list???

Edited by AndyNFFC, 09 April 2017 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:41 PM

The question of the thread was who was the greatest, as in footballer not role model.

 

Maradona is a massive **** but he could play.  He could play better than anyone else I've seen.

 

I don't reckon coke is performance enhancing, not outside of the bedroom.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 08:35 PM

Archie Gemmill. All round midfielder. Fantastic passer, creative, innovative, physical, excellent tackler, could header and had the ability to take players on and score! The Seventies, when creative players were marked men, literally, when defenders showed who was boss, "accidentally" scything down the player or leaving a few stud marks on the back of their legs. Top class players knew a few tricks, or tactics giving as good as they got, a little tug, elbow in the chest, clipping, foot on the heels, but somehow staying the right side of the referee. Then showing a masterful display of precision passing, creativity, and singlehandedly ripping through world class opposition, leaving the midfield and defence dead in his tracks to score. Definitely a world class player, and very much underrated.     



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 08:52 PM

How consistent was Maradona? Did anyone ever really watch him other than the 2 world cups? 

 

I'd have to say Messi, purely for consistency. Has done it at the very top level year in year out, has had arguably the greatest club side ever built around him and has hit 50+ goals every season and lays on a similar amount. All in the modern game where every single game is watched by millions and scrutinised.

 

You could say the same for Ronaldo but I feel he is a pure machine, with unbelievable ability matched by a will and determination to be the best. He has had to really work to be where he is whereas I feel with Messi it's just natural ability all the way.


The situation is what it is Natalie.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:01 PM

The question of the thread was who was the greatest, as in footballer not role model.
 
Maradona is a massive **** but he could play.  He could play better than anyone else I've seen.
 
I don't reckon coke is performance enhancing, not outside of the bedroom.


I'm not talking about being a role model, ask yourself this, would Argies have beaten England without that handball goal? Would/should Diego have been booked/sent off for it? Point is, we lost that match due to a blatant cheat. If this blatant cheat was "so" good as some are saying then why did he have to cheat to win the match?

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:05 PM

How consistent was Maradona? Did anyone ever really watch him other than the 2 world cups? 
 
I'd have to say Messi, purely for consistency. Has done it at the very top level year in year out, has had arguably the greatest club side ever built around him and has hit 50+ goals every season and lays on a similar amount. All in the modern game where every single game is watched by millions and scrutinised.
 
You could say the same for Ronaldo but I feel he is a pure machine, with unbelievable ability matched by a will and determination to be the best. He has had to really work to be where he is whereas I feel with Messi it's just natural ability all the way.


I watched Maradona at four world cups, dunno which two of those you watched!

Messi is definitely the best of his generation closely followed by Ronaldo & the best Argentinian player of all time but until he wins the World Cup he can't be classed at the same level as Pele but he's definitely in the top ten of all time.

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:05 PM

So your defining a whole career on one action?

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:18 PM

That's what he's doing.  Maradona was fucking mint as a footballer.  Everytime I saw him he did something brilliant.  Messi's got it too, I couldn't run him down as a comparison, I just think maybe Maradona was a bit better but there's not much in it either way.  Ronaldo's good too, him and Messi are streets ahead of any other player since Maradona including Zidane and fat Ronaldo for me.  It's all just opinions though.  Anyone running Maradona down as a footballer can't do it on his ability though, just because he's a bit of a ****, which we all know. 



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:47 PM

I watched Maradona at four world cups, dunno which two of those you watched!

Messi is definitely the best of his generation closely followed by Ronaldo & the best Argentinian player of all time but until he wins the World Cup he can't be classed at the same level as Pele but he's definitely in the top ten of all time.


82 and especially 94 hardly go towards championing Maradonas cause.

I really don't believe winning the World Cup should define who is the best. There's countless examples of amazing players who were unfortunate to be born in a country with no hope of winning it. And with 4 years between there's so much that can go wrong, injuries, fatigue, having a clown manager (Messi when Maradona himself was in charge). Pele never tested himself in competitive European league football which will always go against him.

It may not have been the case then but nowadays the Champions League is a far higher standard of football than international as well.

The situation is what it is Natalie.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:34 PM

It may not have been the case then but nowadays the Champions League is a far higher standard of football than international as well.

 

It wasn't. Watch Maradona in 86 and he was untouchable, despite the handball.  Watch his other goal.  Those were really good players that didn't get within five yards of him.  Youtube when we played Barcelona and in the thick mud he just strolled through our defence like it wasn't there.  That was when defender would try to maim you rather than let you get a shot on goal.

 

I've seen clips of Best that put him in that catagory, nothing from Pele.  So Best is the only one pre-Maradona that comes close.  Messi since - mostly for that match against Madrid when he just tore through them. 



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Posted 10 April 2017 - 05:49 AM

Bit too young to remember most of them.

It's always been ronaldo over Messi for me. Struggle to believe a player who has only played at one club, a club who has built their entire side around him, can be better than a player who has played in 3 countries and won endless titles throughout, whilst also carrying his country to victory.

Messi is class, no doubt at all, but if he needs to move for me to be classed as better than Ronaldo.




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