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8 hours ago, nottmred said:

Old Boris refusing to commit to an Andrew Neil interview then. What is it about this bloke that makes him want to hide from proper scrutiny? Say what you like about Corbyn but least he had the bottle to do it. Johnson is just a bluffer.

Boris has never been good with facts and details. We’re all going to get burned by this election whoever wins and whether we vote or not.

i even started looking at the SDP ( they’re getting back in the game) but they haven’t got a candidate my way or most places for that matter.

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On 11/29/2019 at 1:29 AM, Daz555 said:

Her and Mogg have been benched.

Think Stanley Johnson will disappear for a while now too

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Do we think it's fair to say that Corbyn has been getting the better of these leader debates vs Johnson? Certainly comes across as more genuine, more of a positive campaigner and has more to say for himself than "Get Brexit Done".

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36 minutes ago, H-Block said:

Do we think it's fair to say that Corbyn has been getting the better of these leader debates vs Johnson? Certainly comes across as more genuine, more of a positive campaigner and has more to say for himself than "Get Brexit Done".

I think a six year old child would get the better of a debate with Johnson. 

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20 hours ago, A new man said:

I think a six year old child would get the better of a debate with Johnson. 

He's an oven ready cunt

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On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 9:52 PM, H-Block said:

Do we think it's fair to say that Corbyn has been getting the better of these leader debates vs Johnson? Certainly comes across as more genuine, more of a positive campaigner and has more to say for himself than "Get Brexit Done".

Since Tony Blair reign Labour leaders have always appeared and comes across as resolute, and composed. Whether this is due to Labour candidates using Consultants that specialise in Speech Writing, Body Language and Psychology or rather can claim the moral high ground on policies. This automatically changes when a faction faces the reality of government, and the economic truth of running the country.

 

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 5:29 PM, leather said:

Boris has never been good with facts and details. We’re all going to get burned by this election whoever wins and whether we vote or not.

i even started looking at the SDP ( they’re getting back in the game) but they haven’t got a candidate my way or most places for that matter.

Exactly. What is needed is clear, precise and charismatic leadership, intellectual, innovative long-term policies, HONESTY (impossible), and a top to bottom shake down of the Bureaucratic, and Economic system. Unfortunately neither Jeremy Corbyn, Boris Johnson, or Sturgeon show an ounce of integrity, nor ability to surround themselves with personnel that will bring change without bankrupting this State! Many Socialists and Liberalists would shudder over the highly controversial comment that this Country needs a Margaret Thatcher again, but this is what is required. No nonsense, tough leader that surrounded herself with MP's from all different backgrounds with comparative knowledge to make long-term Social, Economic, and Technological decisions to re-vitalise this Country.      

Unfortunately next week we'll probably see a hung parliament again, and a Scottish National Party landslide that will only compound and further frustrate and paralyse this Country!

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On 12/6/2019 at 9:52 PM, H-Block said:

Do we think it's fair to say that Corbyn has been getting the better of these leader debates vs Johnson? Certainly comes across as more genuine, more of a positive campaigner and has more to say for himself than "Get Brexit Done".

I was quite shocked with how little substance Boris has beyond Brexit. Whenever there was a tough question he hid behind Brexit. I consider myself a natural Tory voter, but not this time.

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1 hour ago, Mr Smith said:

I was quite shocked with how little substance Boris has beyond Brexit. Whenever there was a tough question he hid behind Brexit. I consider myself a natural Tory voter, but not this time.

They have a problem in that none of their policies would be popular if they were honest about them and Boris just says whatever bollocks comes into his head so there's no point in asking him anything.

Their one election policy of calling Corbyn an anti-semite over and over seems to be working though while having one catchy slogan which is also a lie.

A bit like as was proven with Trump, all you need is a catchy slogan to win elections these days.  Mind if the opposition in the US or here put anything sensible to oppose that then I'm sure I wouldn't feel so despondent that our version of democracy just serves to kick us in the balls because our politicians are fuckwits being elected by fuckwits.

 

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35 minutes ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

They have a problem in that none of their policies would be popular if they were honest about them

 

Yeah, exactly this. Who can hand on heart defend their record over public services? Or cuts to benefits? Yet they'll likely get away with it because they're the only big party pledging to deliver Brexit and there are too many Labour seats with fragile majorities which voted by quite a margin to leave in the referendum. For example, Labour won the constituency I work in by 3% but Leave won the referendum there by 14%. Even allowing for a number of people changing their minds once they've realised what a clusterfuck Brexit will actually be, it still looks like a seat which should swing to the Tories. There are plenty more like that throughout the country.

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14 hours ago, H-Block said:

 

Yeah, exactly this. Who can hand on heart defend their record over public services? Or cuts to benefits? Yet they'll likely get away with it because they're the only big party pledging to deliver Brexit and there are too many Labour seats with fragile majorities which voted by quite a margin to leave in the referendum. For example, Labour won the constituency I work in by 3% but Leave won the referendum there by 14%. Even allowing for a number of people changing their minds once they've realised what a clusterfuck Brexit will actually be, it still looks like a seat which should swing to the Tories. There are plenty more like that throughout the country.

The Conservatives can be defended up to a certain extent over their austerity policies of cutting public services if you understand the reasons. Financial institutes including the IMF, Credit Houses and the City highlighted the requirement to reduce public spending, and our debt burden otherwise the cost to service our debts would astronomically increase. This happened to Italy, Spain and Ireland. Unfortunately it's confidence, thus if you don't persuade the financial institutes that you're able to pay the debt the ramifications would mean additional stipulations would be put on future loans as in what happened in the 1960's. The other reason is that pensions for public service workers have increased substantially and the contributions are insufficient to cover the overall cost especially now we're living longer. 

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17 hours ago, Mr Smith said:

I was quite shocked with how little substance Boris has beyond Brexit. Whenever there was a tough question he hid behind Brexit. I consider myself a natural Tory voter, but not this time.

Sometimes it's better to promise little and keep the equilibrium until you've solved the larger problem. Until this headache been amicably resolved many aspects of lives cannot be planned as this country is facing a new future. Yes it is a 'cop out', but Brexit to a larger extent is the defining force for this country to make crucial decisions on our Social, Economic and Political future. Whether Brexit occurred or not, Technology, Immigration, Ageing Population and now Environmental impact is now shaping this country and a consensus will be required on what the Union will look like in the foreseeable future. We've put off too many of the important critical decisions until later, failing to make sufficiently adequate provisions and it's catching up with the politicians and senior management.      

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28 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Sometimes it's better to promise little and keep the equilibrium until you've solved the larger problem. Until this headache been amicably resolved many aspects of lives cannot be planned as this country is facing a new future. Yes it is a 'cop out', but Brexit to a larger extent is the defining force for this country to make crucial decisions on our Social, Economic and Political future. Whether Brexit occurred or not, Technology, Immigration, Ageing Population and now Environmental impact is now shaping this country and a consensus will be required on what the Union will look like in the foreseeable future. We've put off too many of the important critical decisions until later, failing to make sufficiently adequate provisions and it's catching up with the politicians and senior management.      

The Tories have spent the past three years fucking up Brexit. If they wanted a vote purely on Brexit then they should have gone for a second referendum, instead of a general election about numerous issues. Boris is campaigning like this is a second referendum and his record to date is not that of a sensible one nation conservative. Boris will not get Brexit done, Corbyn has a more sensible plan, but most people are too thick to see that and under Boris we will be kicking the can down the road for years.

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5 hours ago, Mr Smith said:

The Tories have spent the past three years fucking up Brexit. If they wanted a vote purely on Brexit then they should have gone for a second referendum, instead of a general election about numerous issues. Boris is campaigning like this is a second referendum and his record to date is not that of a sensible one nation conservative. Boris will not get Brexit done, Corbyn has a more sensible plan, but most people are too thick to see that and under Boris we will be kicking the can down the road for years.

John McDonnell's and Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan includes a Customs Union. As a consequence this aligns our laws, standards and regulatory practises for trade and services to that of the European Union. Whilst on paper this is satisfactory it could impact our ability to trade with other countries, especially if our welfare or safety standards must be compromised. This already occurs in the Agriculture and Farming, where our standards are far higher than France and Eastern Europe. It leaves us already at a serious disadvantage, and part of the reason our Dairy Industries is suffering a catastrophic decline. Although the major reason is that European Union, as part of a Custom Union agreement would require Freedom Of Movement.

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5 hours ago, nemesiz said:

John McDonnell's and Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan includes a Customs Union. As a consequence this aligns our laws, standards and regulatory practises for trade and services to that of the European Union. Whilst on paper this is satisfactory it could impact our ability to trade with other countries, especially if our welfare or safety standards must be compromised. This already occurs in the Agriculture and Farming, where our standards are far higher than France and Eastern Europe. It leaves us already at a serious disadvantage, and part of the reason our Dairy Industries is suffering a catastrophic decline. Although the major reason is that European Union, as part of a Custom Union agreement would require Freedom Of Movement.

 

To be fair we don't know what their Brexit plan is, as we won't know until they go back to Europe to negotiate one. 

Whatever the deal is, it's going to be shitter than what we already have.  If Labour have what you're saying, shitter, if the Tories have what they're saying, shitter but for different reasons. 

The one thing with Labour's shitter plan, it will give us the opportunity to say yes or no to it. 

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6 hours ago, nemesiz said:

John McDonnell's and Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan includes a Customs Union. As a consequence this aligns our laws, standards and regulatory practises for trade and services to that of the European Union. Whilst on paper this is satisfactory it could impact our ability to trade with other countries, especially if our welfare or safety standards must be compromised. This already occurs in the Agriculture and Farming, where our standards are far higher than France and Eastern Europe. It leaves us already at a serious disadvantage, and part of the reason our Dairy Industries is suffering a catastrophic decline. Although the major reason is that European Union, as part of a Custom Union agreement would require Freedom Of Movement.

I am always uncertain why the potential to trade hypothetically with other nations is worth having tariffs for trade with our biggest trading partner. Also, most of our immigration is from outside the EU and we have the ability to control it already, but don't. I am not saying the EU is perfect, but it is not the behemoth of all our ills that it is portrayed to be. Take off your blue tinted spectacles and it is pretty obvious that the Tories are to blame for most of the mess we are in and then they want to be trusted to deliver Brexit, level-up the UK and secure fantastic trade deals with the ever so reliable trading partner that is the US. Boris is also a complete an utter lying twat who doesn't give a shit about this country, only the power it can bring him. As somebody who has never voted Labour and is appalled by their extreme left agenda, I still think they are better than Boris. 

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Given the last 9 years of evidence - If you vote Tory you are a cunt. It's that simple.

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6 hours ago, Daz555 said:

Given the last 9 years of evidence - If you vote Tory you are a cunt. It's that simple.

And the alternative Daz? Corbyn as PM and Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary? 

I'd say that anybody who votes on Thursday is a cunt. Neither the Tories, nor Labour, are fit to run this country, yet millions will be out on Thursday voting for them. Crazy. It won't be a vote for who can do the best for this country, it will be a vote for who can do the least damage.

BJ or Corbyn? It's a no brainer. Neither.

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10 hours ago, Mr Smith said:

I am always uncertain why the potential to trade hypothetically with other nations is worth having tariffs for trade with our biggest trading partner. Also, most of our immigration is from outside the EU and we have the ability to control it already, but don't. I am not saying the EU is perfect, but it is not the behemoth of all our ills that it is portrayed to be. Take off your blue tinted spectacles and it is pretty obvious that the Tories are to blame for most of the mess we are in and then they want to be trusted to deliver Brexit, level-up the UK and secure fantastic trade deals with the ever so reliable trading partner that is the US. Boris is also a complete an utter lying twat who doesn't give a shit about this country, only the power it can bring him. As somebody who has never voted Labour and is appalled by their extreme left agenda, I still think they are better than Boris. 

Have you actually read my previous comments about Brexit and European Union? Fundamentally the EU is slowly transforming into a Federalist Super state controlled and dominated primarily by left-centralist parties. Unfortunately their ideology fundamentally conflicts with many traditional rules, laws, institutions and regulations to which shaped the United Kingdom. Worryingly what we're seeing is that this conflict could impact Post-War organisations such as NATO which has kept peace. Of course this bias has impacted economically on the UK as well, providing an unfair advantage to our neighbours, with lower costs, subsidizing or welfare standards. Again I've discussed this subject.

"Take off your blue tinted spectacles and it is pretty obvious that the Tories are to blame for most of the mess". Could Labour, Liberal Democrats, and especially S.N.P. do any better? The answer is categorically NO. Why? Simply DEBT and No Money. Remember this infamous incident when the Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Gordon Brown's Government, upon his departure, left a note for his Liberal Democrat (Coalition) successor David Laws saying "I'm afraid there is no money." IF this government could afford to fund sufficiently Education, NHS, Police, Defence, Welfare to the levels many demand and expect it would but this country is borrowing unprecedented amount of money just to keep current levels of spending. What about increasing Taxation? Wouldn't bring a fraction of the funds needed to cover the level of spending needed, and it impacts the economy. 

   

 

 

   

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13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Fundamentally the EU is slowly transforming into a Federalist Super state controlled and dominated primarily by left-centralist parties.   

This was the original intention way back in the 1950s. Arguably, institutions like the Commission, have been dominated by a more extreme left than the centralists. 

13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Unfortunately their ideology fundamentally conflicts with many traditional rules, laws, institutions and regulations to which shaped the United Kingdom. 

Agreed, they use a constitution/treaty as the basis of law and order supported by a Roman Law system, whereas our system is a chaotic mess.

13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Of course this bias has impacted economically on the UK as well, providing an unfair advantage to our neighbours, with lower costs, subsidizing or welfare standards. Again I've discussed this subject.

Yup, our economy has done considerably better for being part of the EU and the vast majority of business (except those showing their patriotism by fleeing to Singapore) want to remain to have unfettered access to the single market.

13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Could Labour, Liberal Democrats, and especially S.N.P. do any better? 

As Dane rightly said, if you vote Tory or Labour you are a cunt. I think the Lib Dems, SNP or the Brexit/Reform party deserve a chance in government, however, millions of morons are going to vote for the same cunts who have been fucking this country over for generations.

13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

Simply DEBT and No Money. Remember this infamous incident when the Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Gordon Brown's Government, upon his departure, left a note for his Liberal Democrat (Coalition) successor David Laws saying "I'm afraid there is no money." 

Yup, the global financial crisis was a disaster and Labour's policies did not help. 

13 minutes ago, nemesiz said:

IF this government could afford to fund sufficiently Education, NHS, Police, Defence, Welfare to the levels many demand and expect it would but this country is borrowing unprecedented amount of money just to keep current levels of spending.

It's strange that there has been no money, however, they have managed to find it at the time of the election. It is also odd how we seem to agree on most things, however, there is no acknowledgement on your part that the Tories/Boris are fucking awful and have fucked us over since the referendum. That a vote for the Tories is not going to end Brexit but give us years of moving onto "stage 2" of negotiations and its not going to get Brexit done. At least Corbyn has a plan that would sort this out and give the people the final say on an exit, the terms of which has morphed depending upon the whims of those trying to advance their own their own careers. I would like to see Boris lose, just so we could get rid of the fucker and get a sensible One Nation Tory in who can win the next election.

 

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8 hours ago, Daz555 said:

Given the last 9 years of evidence - If you vote Tory you are a cunt. It's that simple.

Kinder, Gentler, Politics from the left... 

If someone has a different view to you, then they're a 'cunt'.

Im surprised you didn't manage to get 'racist' in there too.

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46 minutes ago, Daz said:

Kinder, Gentler, Politics from the left... 

If someone has a different view to you, then they're a 'cunt'.

Im surprised you didn't manage to get 'racist' in there too.

You're just jealous he's got a longer username

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8 hours ago, Daz said:

Kinder, Gentler, Politics from the left... 

If someone has a different view to you, then they're a 'cunt'.

Im surprised you didn't manage to get 'racist' in there too.

I think most people must just be ignorant to the level of cuntery that they get up to.

The treatment of our disabled citizens by them is just about the most cuntish thing done by any of our governments that I can think of.

How you treat people who can't fight back is the measure of a man, or in this case a political party.

With that in mind, I'd argue that if you're aware of that and still vote for them then you're a cunt.

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On 12/9/2019 at 11:59 PM, Daz555 said:

Given the last 9 years of evidence - If you vote Tory you are a cunt. It's that simple.

And if you're a labour or lib dem voter then you're a treacherous fucking retard.. 

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