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50 minutes ago, Daz555 said:

I'll vote Green or Lib Dem most likely - not that it matters. I live in one of the safest Labour seats in the country.

I'll vote Lib Dem or Green most likely - not that it matters. I live in one of the safest Conservative seats in the country.

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Labour for me. The days of being able to see a rational argument for people voting Conservative are over for me. The party seems to be populated by vindictive loons who are out of touch with the needs of the country. If you analyse their 9 years in office I can’t see what logical argument could be made to give them another crack at it. 

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19 minutes ago, Danny said:

Labour for me. The days of being able to see a rational argument for people voting Conservative are over for me. The party seems to be populated by vindictive loons who are out of touch with the needs of the country. If you analyse their 9 years in office I can’t see what logical argument could be made to give them another crack at it. 

Agreed Danny, but what logical argument can be made to give Corbyn the reins? Diane Abbott as Home Secretary is a scary enough thought to put anyone off voting Labour. At the moment, Labour want to go to the EU and debate a new Brexit deal, and then campaign for us to vote against it??????

Politics in this country is a complete and utter shambles. I'd question the sanity of anyone who gives up their time to go and vote for anyone standing for Parliament in this election. The only way to show our anger at the way our MP's have conducted themselves since the referendum is to abstain from voting for any them. It's akin to visiting an asylum and being asked which one of the nutjobs you think should be running the nuthouse.

BJ or JC? What a fucking choice?                                                                                                                                                                                                             

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1 hour ago, Dane B said:

Agreed Danny, but what logical argument can be made to give Corbyn the reins? Diane Abbott as Home Secretary is a scary enough thought to put anyone off voting Labour. At the moment, Labour want to go to the EU and debate a new Brexit deal, and then campaign for us to vote against it??????

Politics in this country is a complete and utter shambles. I'd question the sanity of anyone who gives up their time to go and vote for anyone standing for Parliament in this election. The only way to show our anger at the way our MP's have conducted themselves since the referendum is to abstain from voting for any them. It's akin to visiting an asylum and being asked which one of the nutjobs you think should be running the nuthouse.

BJ or JC? What a fucking choice?                                                                                                                                                                                                             

I get a bit annoyed that people give the EU more importance than the government's treatment of the disabled, cuts to mental health services, cuts to the police and fire service, the pay freeze for public workers, the usual broken promise of not building any affordable housing...

people voted to give this lot more power and are angry that it hasn't been delivered. We'd be better off sacking this bunch of crooks off and being run by Europe, that's how bad they are.

My vote goes to whoever is 2nd to these bastards in my area, so Labour. I don't care for Corbyn but this bunch need getting out.

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Good old Nige ūüĎŹ

The Brexit Party will not contest the 317 seats the Conservatives won at the last election

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8 minutes ago, E R said:

Good old Nige ūüĎŹ

The Brexit Party will not contest the 317 seats the Conservatives won at the last election

Seems like mixed up thinking. Surely standing in areas which Conservative hope to take off Labour will just spilt the Brexit vote. Not that I’m complaining about that. 

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1 hour ago, E R said:

Good old Nige ūüĎŹ

The Brexit Party will not contest the 317 seats the Conservatives won at the last election

Wish he'd take another light aircraft flight

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I bet he’s been promised a peerage. He’s been given something because Boris’ deal wasn’t proper Brexit last week. Now he wants it to go through.

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1 hour ago, nottmred said:

I bet he’s been promised a peerage. He’s been given something because Boris’ deal wasn’t proper Brexit last week. Now he wants it to go through.

Just like he was good with a Norway option Brexit prior to the referendum then it wasn’t brexity enough for him afterwards.

He’s fucked if he has to get a proper job.

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Our democracy is really shit. 

Leave and remain alliances restricting our choice because of Brexit, when a general election is so much more important and on much wider issues. The fact those in the speaker's constituency effectively don't get to vote because of "convention". Why the fuck were we so irate with the EU when our own democracy is a crusty wank pastry.

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1 hour ago, Mr Smith said:

Our democracy is really shit. 

Leave and remain alliances restricting our choice because of Brexit, when a general election is so much more important and on much wider issues. The fact those in the speaker's constituency effectively don't get to vote because of "convention". Why the fuck were we so irate with the EU when our own democracy is a crusty wank pastry.

That's the irony, Smithy. Leave campaigned on the basis that the EU is supposedly undemocratic, but there is so much about the EU that is so much more democratic than our domestic politics. Proportional representation to allocate seats in Parliament based on vote share, for example.

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20 hours ago, Danny said:

Labour for me. The days of being able to see a rational argument for people voting Conservative are over for me. The party seems to be populated by vindictive loons who are out of touch with the needs of the country. If you analyse their 9 years in office I can’t see what logical argument could be made to give them another crack at it. 

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18 hours ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

I get a bit annoyed that people give the EU more importance than the government's treatment of the disabled, cuts to mental health services, cuts to the police and fire service, the pay freeze for public workers, the usual broken promise of not building any affordable housing...

people voted to give this lot more power and are angry that it hasn't been delivered. We'd be better off sacking this bunch of crooks off and being run by Europe, that's how bad they are.

My vote goes to whoever is 2nd to these bastards in my area, so Labour. I don't care for Corbyn but this bunch need getting out.

Unfortunately since Tony Blair, the Labour and Conservative government had to continually increase spending on public expenditure, welfare and pension to avoid being forced out or unelectable. The analogy "Old Mother Hubbard" nursery rhyme reiterates and emphasizes exactly why technically 'Austerity', or an Recession was required, this country is bankrupt, there is nothing left in the cupboard and still we're borrowing. Previous Recessions the government, local authorities and businesses cut Middle management or unrequired staff to improve efficiency and reduce costs. Instead since the Millennium and Austerity what we seen is management cutting key staff, raising wages and PENSIONS for skilled personnel and centralising of services. Also prioritizing and demand has shifted from conventional, traditional services towards new facilities such as Child Care provision, Child Mental Health, 16-18 Year Old Education as examples.  

 

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1 hour ago, nemesiz said:

Stability? |

Unfortunately since Tony Blair, the Labour and Conservative government had to continually increase spending on public expenditure, welfare and pension to avoid being forced out or unelectable. The analogy "Old Mother Hubbard" nursery rhyme reiterates and emphasizes exactly why technically 'Austerity', or an Recession was required, this country is bankrupt, there is nothing left in the cupboard and still we're borrowing. Previous Recessions the government, local authorities and businesses cut Middle management or unrequired staff to improve efficiency and reduce costs. Instead since the Millennium and Austerity what we seen is management cutting key staff, raising wages and PENSIONS for skilled personnel and centralising of services. Also prioritizing and demand has shifted from conventional, traditional services towards new facilities such as Child Care provision, Child Mental Health, 16-18 Year Old Education as examples.  

 

Stop chatting shit.

As somebody who works at a SEN school, plus another school for kids with difficulties, and have an autistic kid myself, I can tell without doubt the people who you support have destroyed child mental health services.

Your child is suicidal? Have this appointment in 6 months to assess them...

I don't know what bubble you live in but you need to break out of it.

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Farage now refusing to refund the deposits of those candidates that he won’t stand in the election. What a fraud the man is, absolute con man.

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6 hours ago, Charlie Cheswick said:

Stop chatting shit.

As somebody who works at a SEN school, plus another school for kids with difficulties, and have an autistic kid myself, I can tell without doubt the people who you support have destroyed child mental health services.

Your child is suicidal? Have this appointment in 6 months to assess them...

I don't know what bubble you live in but you need to break out of it.

Have you thought that the problem is demand? 1 in 4 Primary School children are now statemented. The Government spend a basic £12,000 on each child that is statemented at Primary School level. A local nearby authority said they spent 75% on their children services including education. What else should the government give? They can't cut the Police, Army, Social Welfare, Adult services anymore. You say I'm talking shit where in the f**k do we get the extra money? Increasing tax doesn't work as it impacts, adversely spending and the economy slows down. What about chasing large Corporations as Herr Corbyn thinks? Don't you think the HM Customs & Excise haven't tried? Let's just borrow more from the Imaginary Money Tree, oh wait this would affect our Credit Rating and cost to repay the loan. If there was a sensible answer a government would use it. 

CC I live in the real world, worked in many aspects of administration and understand the working of bureaucracy but the difference I've faced or seen many of those trials when dealing with family, friends, or businesses. So I don't just live in a bubble I've seen and felt the cutbacks as fellow colleagues have lost their jobs, or family members suffering from inept or overstretched services. As this a public forum avoid talking about personal subjects, but know first hand how ineptitude and incompetence can hurt or ruin ones lives.    

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On 11/12/2019 at 3:01 PM, nemesiz said:

Have you thought that the problem is demand? 1 in 4 Primary School children are now statemented. The Government spend a basic £12,000 on each child that is statemented at Primary School level. A local nearby authority said they spent 75% on their children services including education. What else should the government give? They can't cut the Police, Army, Social Welfare, Adult services anymore. You say I'm talking shit where in the f**k do we get the extra money? Increasing tax doesn't work as it impacts, adversely spending and the economy slows down. What about chasing large Corporations as Herr Corbyn thinks? Don't you think the HM Customs & Excise haven't tried? Let's just borrow more from the Imaginary Money Tree, oh wait this would affect our Credit Rating and cost to repay the loan. If there was a sensible answer a government would use it. 

CC I live in the real world, worked in many aspects of administration and understand the working of bureaucracy but the difference I've faced or seen many of those trials when dealing with family, friends, or businesses. So I don't just live in a bubble I've seen and felt the cutbacks as fellow colleagues have lost their jobs, or family members suffering from inept or overstretched services. As this a public forum avoid talking about personal subjects, but know first hand how ineptitude and incompetence can hurt or ruin ones lives.    

 

I see here, like any Tory, you see the value of money but nothing else. If you saw the latter you'd be figuring out the long term benefits of sending mentally fit people into adulthood, realising the money spent now saves on a lifetime of money spent later.  Mind, if you see the state of adult mental health services I guess that would be cuts for life.  At least they've all been declared fit for work though eh. 

Talking of magic money trees, your lot have found theirs with their election promises, mind, they could be spending what they're promising right now, but like all shit chatting Tories, they're liars and won't follow through with any promises unless those mean smiting people who can't fight back.

Can you remember Cameron being in charge of cracking down on offshore tax havens while simultaneously having his family money come from them?  Did you hear anything about it since he obviously did nothing because why would he?  Of course you didn't.  That's blatant corruption right there. 

Back to CAMHS, what you're talking about is school funding, not mental health funding, so tell us how well CAMHS is doing?

ps, talking of magic money trees, the National debt has pretty much doubled in the last nine years.  Strong and stable and all that.

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Anyone else want to see this report on Russia come out instantly?

Apparently dates back to when Blair was in. 

I think it's fair to know if any of our lot have been up to any Russian shenanigans before we're asked to vote for them.  Like an is your MP a crook fact checker.  Alongside all the other obvious your MP is a crook kind of stuff that gets ignored. 

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So the way I see it, after the first week of campaigning the choices appear to be as follows:

 

1) Get Brexit Done Party

2) Remain Party

3) Free Porn Downloads For The Rest Of Your Life Party

 

 

 

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On 11/12/2019 at 8:30 AM, Charlie Cheswick said:

Stop chatting shit.

As somebody who works at a SEN school, plus another school for kids with difficulties, and have an autistic kid myself, I can tell without doubt the people who you support have destroyed child mental health services.

Your child is suicidal? Have this appointment in 6 months to assess them...

I don't know what bubble you live in but you need to break out of it.

Exactly. I'd be surprised if one person that works in a school in the country votes Tory. 

Not only have they starved schools of funding. But they have totally fucked the curriculum up too. 

My missus is a very good teacher. In Nottingham she rose up her school quickly and was part of management before 30. Since we've moved she can't even get an interview. Schools take one look at her previous salary (good for a teacher but fairly average by national standards) and chuck the application away. They bring newly qualified teachers on the lowest money instead. It's not about getting the best person for the job, it's about balancing the books. 

It must be the only profession out there where by progressing and doing well you make yourself unemployable. 

My school also do things like 'dark days' where between April and October we don't switch lights on to save money. Most teachers spend their own money on class supplies too. T'other week my class made bread...i spent about £25 on gear for it. Did I get that back? Did I fuck as there's no money. 

I could be here all day about how the tories have messed with the educational side of things too. They basically ripped out the old Labour system and didn't replace it for 3 years leaving everyone in limbo. 

I will vote Labour as more of a fuck you to the Conservatives than a big up for Corbyn. From an educuational perspective anything has to be better than this. 

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I saw this comment earlier, thought it raised some good points...

'Say Jeremy Corbyn had been the Home Secretary for six years, during which time he slashed some 20,000 police jobs taking us back to 1970s levels of per capita policing.
Let's say he also slashed the UK Border Agency budget so that over a million people
per month were coming and going through UK airports without being properly checked.
Let's say by virtue of an extremely self-serving EU referendum non-campaign he managed to get into 10 Downing Street, where he kept up his agenda of cutting the UK security services and border agency.
Then there's a home-grown terrorist attack by a known Islamist fanatic in a city where Corbyn had cut the police budget by £157 million.
Let's say Jeremy Corbyn "lost" files on an internal pedophile ring.
Let's say he wanted to take the homes from the elderly.
Let's say he cut 30% of your disabled benefit.
Let's say he signed an arms deal with the (ISIS-funding) Saudis worth millions.
Let's say he wanted to take away your child's free school meal.
Let's say he forced NHS staff to use food banks.
Let's say he made so many cuts to the NHS that people are suffering waiting for ambulances and A&E doctors.
Let's say he went against doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, the armed forces...
Let's say he took away funding for University for upcoming doctors and nurses.
Let's say after all these cuts there's still a deficit and he'd missed every target he'd set himself for reducing it.
What would you have to say about Jeremy Corbyn under these circumstances?
And why are they not saying those things about Boris Johnson and the Tories right now?'

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