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Given our current injury crisis perhaps you can explain to the forum which team you'd select , particularly strikers , for our next game .. Please also tell us how they would manage to score the goal/s needed for a victory ... Over to you !!

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Given the summer and this year I wouldn't have a strike force of what he signed.

 

You score goals by attacking, not giving away 60% possession at home and praying you nick a goal, which is what his teams do. Hardly surprising that us and Bolton have barely any goals this season, his last 2 clubs.

 

Thankfully, he has now gone and we can get a competent manager in to sort it all out.

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Given the summer and this year I wouldn't have a strike force of what he signed.

 

You score goals by attacking, not giving away 60% possession at home and praying you nick a goal, which is what his teams do. Hardly surprising that us and Bolton have barely any goals this season, his last 2 clubs.

 

Thankfully, he has now gone and we can get a competent manager in to sort it all out.

 

 

You do realise that we are operating under the constraints of FFP don't you !!!

 

So , please explain which forwards you would have signed on a free transfer , at less than £10K per week , that would have done a better job..

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You do realise that we are operating under the constraints of FFP don't you !!!

 

So , please explain which forwards you would have signed on a free transfer , at less than £10K per week , that would have done a better job..

The fact is colin is that it's not Hucknall's job to help us win football matches. It was Freedman's and he didn't win enough.

 

The embargo aside, Freedman wad still able to bring a number of players in. I think the squad is better than our position suggests. Team performance is ultimately the responsibility of the manager which is why Freedman has gone.

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You do realise that we are operating under the constraints of FFP don't you !!!

 

So , please explain which forwards you would have signed on a free transfer , at less than £10K per week , that would have done a better job..

13 players. That's what he signed. Must be difficult only signing a new starting 11........

 

last time I looked I don't have the financial information for strikers throughout Europe, assume you do.....

 

the team is better than what he has achieved. That's why he has been sacked. "Going to play the forest way" he said, proceeded by losing 3-0 at home against an average team with 1 shot on target.

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13 players. That's what he signed. Must be difficult only signing a new starting 11........

 

last time I looked I don't have the financial information for strikers throughout Europe, assume you do.....

 

the team is better than what he has achieved. That's why he has been sacked. "Going to play the forest way" he said, proceeded by losing 3-0 at home against an average team with 1 shot on target.

 

No I don't but I'm not claiming I'd have been able to do better than he did as you appear to be saying ... Always easy to be wise after the event !!!.

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When we got a battering at home to Bayern Munich everyone went home thinking fuck it, we lost but at least we gave it a go. Dougie's problem is although he was up against it, does anyone really think we gave it a go?

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That article is from 2015

 

Yes it was from 2015 and you missed the point totally but maybe it was my fault.

 

I posted it to highlight the last thing that Fawaz said in the article "if we're not doing well then why would we keep him?"

 

The date of the article was always irrelavant to this point.

 

But it doesn't matter since Fawaz has proven me correct. He operates on pure emotion which was the point I was making. Ironic that I talked about this 24 hours prior to him sacking the manager,,,,,,,,,,but thats okay.....ignore all that and just go for the cheap shot on the date of the article. Well done you, well spotted.

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I can't believe anybody can be against this decision, although it seems to be the people who go to probably 5 games a season who seem to think this is wrong (nothing wrong with going to 5 games a season, you just haven't been worn down by the tedium).

 

It makes sense to do it now as we aren't going down so it gives the hierarchy two or three months to find someone rather than waiting until May and giving us a couple of weeks.

 

As for people saying our squad is no good, look at Birmingham, Preston, Ipswich or Cardiff, all above us and all with inferior squads. The fact we aren't winning is nothing to do with the squad and more to do with how we play. The reason we don't score isn't because we have crap strikers, Crystal Palace were sixth in January without a single striker scoring a league goal, it's the way we play. Lumping the ball up to a striker to flick on to no one or hold up for ages while the other players try to make up the 50 yards to reach him. Maybe it's because we start with three central defenders, two holdig midfielders and central midfielders as wingers. Maybe it's because we have 40% possesion at home, you cant score without the ball. Then if we do actually score and take the lead expect our attackers to be taken off and replaced with midfielders and defenders after 60 minutes while we spend half an hour lumping the ball upfield to no one and having all 11 players withing 30 yards of our goal inviting pressure on to us before the inevitable happens.

 

I've been going to watch Forest since 1988 at the age of six and this is by far the most frustrating season I've seen. The football is as bad as Megsons but we have a squad much better than that. Watching players like Lansbury shackled inside his own half or watching Dougie screaming at the full backs to stay back while we attack is so fucking maddening.

 

One final word on his post match interviews. If you are going to serve up tripe for ninety minutes and then go on the radio and say you've just given the people caviar don't expect any support. You cant say we play attacking passing football when the stats say we had 35% possesion, played half as many passes and had three shots all game.

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I can't believe anybody can be against this decision, although it seems to be the people who go to probably 5 games a season who seem to think this is wrong (nothing wrong with going to 5 games a season, you just haven't been worn down by the tedium).

 

It makes sense to do it now as we aren't going down so it gives the hierarchy two or three months to find someone rather than waiting until May and giving us a couple of weeks.

 

As for people saying our squad is no good, look at Birmingham, Preston, Ipswich or Cardiff, all above us and all with inferior squads. The fact we aren't winning is nothing to do with the squad and more to do with how we play. The reason we don't score isn't because we have crap strikers, Crystal Palace were sixth in January without a single striker scoring a league goal, it's the way we play. Lumping the ball up to a striker to flick on to no one or hold up for ages while the other players try to make up the 50 yards to reach him. Maybe it's because we start with three central defenders, two holdig midfielders and central midfielders as wingers. Maybe it's because we have 40% possesion at home, you cant score without the ball. Then if we do actually score and take the lead expect our attackers to be taken off and replaced with midfielders and defenders after 60 minutes while we spend half an hour lumping the ball upfield to no one and having all 11 players withing 30 yards of our goal inviting pressure on to us before the inevitable happens.

 

I've been going to watch Forest since 1988 at the age of six and this is by far the most frustrating season I've seen. The football is as bad as Megsons but we have a squad much better than that. Watching players like Lansbury shackled inside his own half or watching Dougie screaming at the full backs to stay back while we attack is so fucking maddening.

 

One final word on his post match interviews. If you are going to serve up tripe for ninety minutes and then go on the radio and say you've just given the people caviar don't expect any support. You cant say we play attacking passing football when the stats say we had 35% possesion, played half as many passes and had three shots all game.

Great post.

 

I was all for giving him a chance until next season when he'll have some money to spend but his results and style of play have been so poor that I really don't care whether he stays or goes.

 

It does baffle me though that people slate the performances, low attendances and style of play, then slate the sacking too.

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I can't believe anybody can be against this decision, although it seems to be the people who go to probably 5 games a season who seem to think this is wrong (nothing wrong with going to 5 games a season, you just haven't been worn down by the tedium).

 

It makes sense to do it now as we aren't going down so it gives the hierarchy two or three months to find someone rather than waiting until May and giving us a couple of weeks.

 

As for people saying our squad is no good, look at Birmingham, Preston, Ipswich or Cardiff, all above us and all with inferior squads. The fact we aren't winning is nothing to do with the squad and more to do with how we play. The reason we don't score isn't because we have crap strikers, Crystal Palace were sixth in January without a single striker scoring a league goal, it's the way we play. Lumping the ball up to a striker to flick on to no one or hold up for ages while the other players try to make up the 50 yards to reach him. Maybe it's because we start with three central defenders, two holdig midfielders and central midfielders as wingers. Maybe it's because we have 40% possesion at home, you cant score without the ball. Then if we do actually score and take the lead expect our attackers to be taken off and replaced with midfielders and defenders after 60 minutes while we spend half an hour lumping the ball upfield to no one and having all 11 players withing 30 yards of our goal inviting pressure on to us before the inevitable happens.

 

I've been going to watch Forest since 1988 at the age of six and this is by far the most frustrating season I've seen. The football is as bad as Megsons but we have a squad much better than that. Watching players like Lansbury shackled inside his own half or watching Dougie screaming at the full backs to stay back while we attack is so fucking maddening.

 

One final word on his post match interviews. If you are going to serve up tripe for ninety minutes and then go on the radio and say you've just given the people caviar don't expect any support. You cant say we play attacking passing football when the stats say we had 35% possesion, played half as many passes and had three shots all game.

Agree with this.

 

I did find the timing slightly odd but as you say it does give more time to get a replacement and also I'm guessing it's possible that season ticket sales might be shite.

 

Also, I know that there's quite a few who suggest that due to DF doing a decent job on keeping things afloat during the embargo and signing some half decent squad players under the circumstances then he should be given more time. I.e. getting injured players back and being able to sign players hopefully when the embargo is lifted. Now I'd be all for this if DF had a previous record of playing decent football and matching it with results. But he hasn't and this is why I don't really see the point in delaying the inevitable.

 

There are certain oddities though. Why employ him in the first place and also why now and not back in October/November when we were utterly shocking and dropping like stones into the relegation areas.

 

I will give him some credit though. He did seem to stabilise things, some of the results he got were an unexpected surprise e.g. Boro away. And he did make some half decent loan signings.

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Yes it was from 2015 and you missed the point totally but maybe it was my fault.

 

I posted it to highlight the last thing that Fawaz said in the article "if we're not doing well then why would we keep him?"

 

The date of the article was always irrelavant to this point.

 

But it doesn't matter since Fawaz has proven me correct. He operates on pure emotion which was the point I was making. Ironic that I talked about this 24 hours prior to him sacking the manager,,,,,,,,,,but thats okay.....ignore all that and just go for the cheap shot on the date of the article. Well done you, well spotted.

I misread your point, I wasn't having a go, mate.

 

Fwiw, I'm not very fond of having a chairman that keeps sacking managers. That doesn't mean we should have kept the fuckwit, though. You can't keep shit just for the sake of it. Continuity isn't worth anything without progress, and especially when things are going rapidly downhill.

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I misread your point, I wasn't having a go, mate.

 

Fwiw, I'm not very fond of having a chairman that keeps sacking managers. That doesn't mean we should have kept the fuckwit, though. You can't keep shit just for the sake of it. Continuity isn't worth anything without progress, and especially when things are going rapidly downhill.

 

Um, you know the rules here mate. Your opinion counts for nothing unless you have a season ticket. Keep up ffs. e5046185.gif

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I could suffer the performances if we got results but with Dougie we got neither. The man is not a bad manager but simply not a good fit for a club with ambitions to challenge for promotion. He came in as a firefighter after SP and stopped the rot, with the team finishing 14th last season. Unfortunately we`re still 14th when he gets the chop, so no progress there.

 

No disrespect to Burton or smaller clubs who come up from League 1. Or Rotherham or MK Dons whose chief ambition is to survive in this fiercely competitive Championship. Dougie is your go-to man for clubs like these and he could carve out a nice little earner for himself as a specialist in keeping minnows up. But as for a club of Forest`s stature and history, where expectation levels are on a different planet, Dougie was out of his depth.

 

Choosing the right manager isn`t easy and let`s hope the board gives it considerable thought. We fans have had so many false dawns at this stage that we`ll be understandably wary of any new appointment. Southampton are brilliant at sourcing managers because they look overseas and broaden the net, instead of confining themselves to the usual suspects operating in British football. For what it`s worth, if I were Fawaz I would pay Southampton a consultancy fee to supply him with a shortlist of candidates.

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I could suffer the performances if we got results but with Dougie we got neither. The man is not a bad manager but simply not a good fit for a club with ambitions to challenge for promotion. He came in as a firefighter after SP and stopped the rot, with the team finishing 14th last season. Unfortunately we`re still 14th when he gets the chop, so no progress there.

 

No disrespect to Burton or smaller clubs who come up from League 1. Or Rotherham or MK Dons whose chief ambition is to survive in this fiercely competitive Championship. Dougie is your go-to man for clubs like these and he could carve out a nice little earner for himself as a specialist in keeping minnows up. But as for a club of Forest`s stature and history, where expectation levels are on a different planet, Dougie was out of his depth.

 

Choosing the right manager isn`t easy and let`s hope the board gives it considerable thought. We fans have had so many false dawns at this stage that we`ll be understandably wary of any new appointment. Southampton are brilliant at sourcing managers because they look overseas and broaden the net, instead of confining themselves to the usual suspects operating in British football. For what it`s worth, if I were Fawaz I would pay Southampton a consultancy fee to supply him with a shortlist of candidates.

No no no, lets have it right. It wasn't long ago that Saints were on the verge of being wound up. Languishing in the depths of L1, they got extremely lucky by being bought by the Liebher family and spent a serious amount of money on setting up a decent youth academy, got lucky with some good young players just like Fergie did at the start of the 90s and bought Ricky Lambert for a million quid. They got promoted to the championship then spent heavily again. With Pottecino running things for the owners they made great progress and could attract a decent manager.

 

In summary they had owners who knew what they were doing!

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Let`s get things into perspective i.k.s. The Southampton board was visionary in investing heavily in their youth academy, having learnt from the infamous success of the academy structure at Crewe. But that investment pales beside what Man City have invested in their current academy, it`s just that the Saints mopped up the best of the young talent before the rest.

 

The Saints have also been progressive on the management front. Not for them the lazy search among the usual suspects, such as bringing in a Neil Warnock with a track record for quick-fix promotion. They cast the net as far as Spain and took a gamble on a young rookie, Mauricio Poccetinho, and that choice has been well vindicated with Tottenham challenging for the league.

 

They then went Dutch and chose Ronald Koeman, which was another gamble but which has firmly established the Saints in the premier league. In other words, the Southampton board had the smarts to look overseas and ignore the obvious local candidates. There are countless candidates out there from all across the globe who are itching to manage in English league football. I just hope the board can see the bigger picture and find an inspirational manager to make us perennial challengers for promotion.

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